They'd propably achieve same quality at 30-50% of the bitrate, depending on the implementation,... e.g. prefiltering in codecs is preventing them to produce the same output *whistle* You have to be more different btw. MPEG4 simple profile and MPEG4 Advanced simple profile achieve different ratios... you can't give a real general reply because of the imprecise question. Regards, Koepi